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[trapper]

I don't understand why developing countries are not jumping on the Linux bandwagon.

To stay up with the latest software technology on the windows platform, cost mega bucks, and it is unreliable at best.

You could have access to the very latest software technology, and open standards for free, by choosing linux.

http://www.linuxiso.org
Download your free copy today.

[RainMan]

I think I have an explanation.
Money.

Although Linux is free, we don't have the money to buy PC.

However, I know there are Filipino Linux Users group around.

[FlushedMX]

I'm leaning towards these Linux thing especially when my windows crash or spits out that blue screen of death.

The only reason I'm holding off switching to it is that I heard there's not much software on the shelves that would run on a Linux OS.

Is this true?

[trapper]

This is simply not true.

For first timers, download Mandrake 9.2 when installing packages, choose
the kde desktop. (need a fast computer)

There are thousands of apps for linux, and all of them are free.

Check out this great alternative, yet 100% compatible to ms office.
FREEE

www.openoffice.org

Alost with linux..NO VIRUSES

[trapper]

Linux app work on all desktop evironments (KDE, GNOME, ICE, etc.)
Jut I find KDE the most windows like, and user friendly.

Check out these shexy screenshots. http://www.kde.org/screenshots/


Hardcore gamers should stick to windows, or at lease install a dual boot stystem.
Windows for games, and Linux for all else

[MHTS]

Alost with linux..NO VIRUSES

This is not always true. But we know that Linux does not get too much attack than Windows. Apache (web app for Linux) have its vulnerabilities too like IIS. Linux have holes also but the good thing here is that, it is open source and that makes it tougher to attack. Once the good guys found the holes, they make this as a resort to patch the OS. Unlike Windows, only Billy's group are authorized to deploy the patches. So if some guys found the hole first, the attack is on.

Windows is just so easy to attack with a virus. Too much buffer overflow. Linux is an open source, hence it is more prone to attack but it is hard to make one as it is always on the brink to be modified.

I am a Linux user. But I still use M$ computers for testing a Security patches. (It's work, no complains). Btw, Red Hat is good. I have Mandrake and Red Hat, they are both great.

[gr8-one]

K'then Linux Experts, if you could please enlighten me:
Which Linux distro do you think is the best?
Red Hat? Mandrake? Any suggestion?

[MHTS]

hello gr8-one, it is really to your preference.

I have Mandrake and Red hat. Both are really great. But I'd choose Red Hat. In fact, Red Hat are now going to Enterprise edition - more on the server side, so they are now into more robust and functionality.

Mandrake, just like other open source have the cool GUI. Well, you can find this with Red Hat, so I think they are the same as to the GUI part.

If I were to choose, Red Hat should be fine. (This is just me).

[gr8-one]

Have you guys ever tried networking a Linux to a Windows machine?
Does it work?

I got my mind set on this one from Sam's Club.
I don't know what Linux distro it comes with but doesn't really matter to me right now. I just want to know if I can hook it up to a windows home network :)

http://graphics.samsclub.com/images/products/0068853305206_LG.jpg

SPECS HERE (http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?n=0&oidPath=0%3a-23542%3a-33761%3a-33801%3a-33803%3a725743&coe=0&BV_SessionID=_SC_1044179004.1082096483_CS_&BV_EngineID=cccfadclemffkmkcfkfcfkjdgoodfkg.0)

[MHTS]

Absolutely gr8-one! Just like Linux, Unix and Windows, all of them use the same Networking protocol, and that is TCP/IP (Protocol for the Internet). Since they are using the same networking protocol, there isn't really nothing to configure further, other than to connect it to your network.

What good thing about Linux is that it has a higher level of firewall protection. You can basically configure your Linux box as your firewall. You can either have the option to have static IP or DHCP. Because Linux now comes with great GUI, you can actually play with your Linux just like Windows. Wander around and you will find somewhat similar to Control Panel in Windows.

Gr8-one, what you can do is to build your own computer or maybe one of your used computer, just install Linux on top of your existing OS. Download an ISO copy of the Linux online (Red Hat).

[gr8-one]

Absolutely gr8-one! Just like Linux, Unix and Windows, all of them use the same Networking protocol, and that is TCP/IP (Protocol for the Internet). Since they are using the same networking protocol, there isn't really nothing to configure further, other than to connect it to your network.

What good thing about Linux is that it has a higher level of firewall protection. You can basically configure your Linux box as your firewall. You can either have the option to have static IP or DHCP. Because Linux now comes with great GUI, you can actually play with your Linux just like Windows. Wander around and you will find somewhat similar to Control Panel in Windows.

Gr8-one, what you can do is to build your own computer or maybe one of your used computer, just install Linux on top of your existing OS. Download an ISO copy of the Linux online (Red Hat).
Thanks mhts!
Will download Mandrake and Red Hat tonight. I'll let you know after successful installation :)

And thanks to you too, trapper for this thread (thought I left you out huh?) :)
No I mean thanks to you both!

Cheers!

[MHTS]

any time gr8-one! Let us know if you have trouble getting your Linux box running.

Uray Red Hat lang gr8-one, mabalinen.. sige ngarud lakay...

[FlushedMX]

I wanted to download the iso's but gosh! 650+mb can't handle my dial-up :cry:
And 3 cd's too!

[MHTS]

I wanted to download the iso's but gosh! 650+mb can't handle my dial-up :cry:
And 3 cd's too!
Where do you reside FlushedMX? I may find a way to send you a copy of the CD's! Or you can go to any nearest computer store, they should have those laying around at a lower cost.

[gr8-one]

Still downloading iso disc#2 of Mandrake but I'll probably get the Fedora from Red Hat as well.

I'll just install it on one of my PC's at home and right now, I'm deciding on how I'm going to partition my HD. How big do you think should I allow for my Swap partition?

I can't wait, reading some of the documentations makes me anxious to be one "Linux user" already :lol:

MHTS, how about an Ilocos Norte-Laoag City Linux Users Group? How does that sound? :lol: Man, I just hope nothing goes wrong in the process :cry:

Thanks again for the motivation and by the way MHTS, I got your PM. I'll try to respond as soon as possible :)

Cheers!!!

[FlushedMX]

I wanted to download the iso's but gosh! 650+mb can't handle my dial-up :cry:
And 3 cd's too!
Where do you reside FlushedMX? I may find a way to send you a copy of the CD's! Or you can go to any nearest computer store, they should have those laying around at a lower cost.
Don't concern yourself MHTS, I think I can find one.
And when I do find one, I'll bug you for tech support :lol:

[MHTS]

Just remember, Linux does not 'use' the same File System Structure like Windows. Although Linux 'support' the same File System as Windows, it's native File System is Ext2. It also uses HPFS file system (If I recall). Windows 9x uses FAT16 and FAT32. Windows NT/2000/XP uses NTFS, a higher level of security.

Because Linux uses different file system, most likely if you will be using dual boot or logical partition of a drive, you will not see the file structure from Windows. Here is what I can say about the size of your partitions, should you want to have multiple boot drives.

Workstation. If you like to install a Workstation type of installation, You will need approximately 1.2 GB of free disk space. However, if you plan to install more components such as GNOME and KDE, 1.5 GB of free disk should do it. This space are for the installation only.

Server. For a server-class installation, a minimum of 650 MB of free space is needed. If you want to install full package (such as Apache, etc..) approximately 1.2 GB or more free space is recommended.

For Swap Partitions, check Red Hat site here (http://www.redhat.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/Partition/partition-4.html).

If you want to have multiple OS in one computer, say a Windows XP and Red Hat Linux in one physical hard drive. This is what I would do: (1) Using boot disk, partition the hard drive using fdisk into Primary and Logical drive. Divide it to the way you want it. Make sure it is more than 1.5 GB for the Linux Partition. I am sure they don't sell hard drive not less than 40 GB nowadays, so you have plenty. (2) Format the Primary drive or where you want to install Windows. (Do not format the drive for the Linux). (3)Install Windows on the Primary Patition. If you are planning to install another OS, say Windows 2000, make sure you have another logical drive partitioned for this one. Windows XP and 2K have built-in format to create an NTFS file system so you don't have to perform step 2. Again, the space for the Linux is still 'unformatted'.

After you installed Windows. Then it's time to install Linux. Install Linux and when you are prompted to Disk Partitioning, you will be asked to choose among the three options. (a) Automatically partition and remove data (b) Manual Partition (c) fdisk. I'd choose option (a), this will automatically use the unpartitioned drive for use. In addition, it will install LILO, so you can choose the operating system you want to start during start up. I would not choose (b) because it is too much work. Option (c) is good if you are expert.

Here is a catch. If you are installing a server-class installation, this will wipe out ALL partitions, including the Windows partition. So be aware of that. You can always install Workstation, then install the package later. Or if you only have one hard drive, then Server is fine.

Follow the wizard and you should be fine. Now this may sound silly, but I have Home Network at home, 1 Windows 2000 Advanced Server (running as Domain Controller), 1 Windows 98, 1 Windows 2000 Professional, 2 Windows XP Professional, and 1 Mandrake Linux. I actually have not used Linux for the last six months. I have installed, played, and fooled with Red Hat, but right now I am currently doing my review for Microsoft Certified System Engineer (MCSE), so I am more into Windows now (well, just for the sake of the review and hands-on lab). So Linux should be coming back at me later on this season. But I will try my best to help!

gr8-one, thanks for acknowledging my PM, I appreciate it. Linux group? This sounds good. I'll try to get my books back here then.

FlushedMX, I'll try my best to help. I may not be the Linux Expert, but I will share my knowledge and experiences.

[Sorry for the long post kakabsat]

[gr8-one]

One more Mandrake CD to go. UCLA was down last night so I couldn't complete the download. Had I knew beforehand, I would have asked you MHTS to send me a copy of the Mandrake CD instead. :lol:

Well, I would probably opt for the Server type of installation.

I already have a Windows on my machine - one HDD, so "fdisking' it is not an option at this time. I downloaded a freeware version of Partition Magic from Tucows and guess what, it walks you through the process of partioning your HD (with Windows already on it) for an additional OS like Linux. Will try this over the weekend.

Hope I can get into UCLA ftp site tonight :lol:

Thanks MHTS - and good luck on your review/exams.

Cheers!

[MHTS]

Yes, Partition Magic is really cool. (I haven't actually tried it! I am still assessing the probability of risking my files :lol: )

Do you need Red Hat Linux 9, though? If you do just let me know, I'll send you over a copy!

Thanks for the good luck! I'll try to do the best I can for these exams.

(This is off-tangent to the topic, but I am curious what is main difference between Macromedia Flash MX against Macromedia Director MX?)

Well, let me know gr8-one if you need help in messing around with Linux!

[BenLopez]

I don't maawatan. Anya ngamin ti diperensiya ti Primary ken logical partition? MHTS? greatone? Flushed? Trapper?

[MHTS]

I don't maawatan. Anya ngamin ti diperensiya ti Primary ken logical partition? MHTS? greatone? Flushed? Trapper?

Primary is the main partition of a drive. When you start diay computer mo, ta Operating System na (e.g., Windows 98, XP, 2000 Pro) is where it resides. This is where the MBR (Master Boot Record) is copied to so that when you start your computer, it will go directly to the Active Partition, hence, Primary, and it will look for installed OS.

In other words, you cannot install an Operating System on a logical drive, only on Ative (or Primary partitions). Contrary to that, you can always install OS in a logical/extended partition, you just need to know how to access your MBR to point to that OS.

If you remember when you were still working with Windows 9x, you would fdisk your hard drive for the first time. You can only create one Active Partition, then you can create one Extended partition. From the extended partition, you can create more than one logical partition.

This is useful when you have, say a 60GB hard drive, and you want 10GB Primary partition (all your OS structure, drive C), 20GB (drive D: for all your Program Files) and 30 GB (drive E: for all your files, doc, xls, swf, etc.). Drive C: now is your Primary. Drives D and E are logical drives. When you start your computer, the MBR will only look in drive C and starts your pc. Hope this helps...

[gr8-one]

Naimbag la ketdin ta adda kan MHTS.
Well put....

[MHTS]

anytime lakay. i'll try my best to post helps if someone needed it. (well, no makayak la ketdi ah).

any progress in your linux world?

[gr8-one]

I'll do that this weekend :)

That should give me enough time to decide on how to/and, partition my harddrive.

I already got a copy of Fedora (Core) and been going over the dcumentations on red hat site.

Wish me luck!

[MHTS]

I already got a copy of Fedora (Core) and been going over the dcumentations on red hat site.

Wish me luck!

gr8-one always do great. I am sure it will work out great. Good luck lakay!

[gr8-one]

Thanks mhts.
Got your PM. I'll keep checking your domain to see how you are coming along with your website.

Best of luck.

[gr8-one]

ummm, the Partition Magic I downloaded from Tucows was a demo version. Most demo versions are fully functional for a number of days before disabling itself - or so I thought :cry:
While this one walks you through all the steps in partitioning yuor HD, <sigh>it doesn't allow you to apply the changes</sigh>

Anyway, I just might have to buy a new HD - 30 GB costs as much as Partition Magic...

[MHTS]

Anyway, I just might have to buy a new HD - 30 GB costs as much as Partition Magic...

This is what I'd recommend too gr8-one. It's easier to install, configure and play around with.

By the way, do they still sell 30 GB hard drive? Last time, I think the minimum they sell now is 40 GB. Well, maybe just the store I went to.

Good luck lakay!

[FlushedMX]

Hey guys, did you know that there is a Pinoy Linux distribution?
No kidding guys! It's called Bayanihan Linux!
If anything I might just try this out at least I could probably get a cd more easuiy :)

Here's the website (http://www.bayanihan.gov.ph/)

[MHTS]

The Bayanihan Linux website is cool. I did check it out and they do seem to give us a fine approach to the Linux world. I'll try to download their ISO and run it in one of my machines. I may end up liking it more than the Red Hat (hmmm, maybe not quite). Thanks Flushed!

[gr8-one]

Sorry. make that 40GB but yes, CompUSA still sells 20GB's.
Will check the Bayanihan soon. Another cool find by Flushed!

[FlushedMX]

You're welcome guys!
Support your kababayans! Go Bayanihan! :)

[gr8-one]

Hmmm... bayanihan's site is down today, 29 April.
Can't get in...

[FlushedMX]

Mabalinen gr8-one.

[E-Heads]

How's open source in the Phil. coming along?

Do you think open source eventually catches up with Windows?

[gr8-one]

How's open source in the Phil. coming along?

Do you think open source eventually catches up with Windows?Eventually.... maybe...

Ngem kuna da awan kanu ti future ti open source dita Pilipinas...

[FlushedMX]

nalaing met ni pinoy ket.
Ti IBM adda ti binak-up an na nga Pinoy software developer nga kompanya. Kinapudno na nakalista'n sa yanta NY Stock Exchange daytoy segun ti damag ko. Nalipatak metten nu anya ti nagan diay kompanya.

Aktibo met ti open source ditoy sa...
Iyarig mo la deta Bayanihan Linyx en

[MHTS]

How's open source in the Phil. coming along?

Do you think open source eventually catches up with Windows?

Most likely yes. When? We don't know, but I see that somehow, Pinoy will realize the bugs and vulnerabilities of M$, then they will want a tougher Operating System. And then again, Open Source are 'free', so what else we should ask for. Right?

The problem is how to get out from their comfort zone. Since legacy such as Microsoft are so much widely used, it will take time for them to start getting the hang of using open source projects.

Open source projects, I believe, are now gradually being utilized behind the scene (including the Philippines). Say for instance, Apache, PHP, MySQL, Linux, etc. These programs and platforms are the most commonly used web backends.

To reiterate, Pinoys are smart and creative. They know what flaws and vulnerabilities Windows have, including the web application IIS. (Buffer overflow). So they are switching the gears towards open sources such Apache (the most commonly used web server application). It's security issue.

Now, to ordinary users. Would they want to switch their gears too? In todays environment, I doubt it. But if the government take some extra step, this could be implemented. I cite Bayanihan Linux, which is being supported by DOST. If DECS also publish books or introduce Open Source projects in schools, in labs, or in libraries. They will begin to use and I'm sure, they will eventually get to use it. "Practice makes one perfect."

So, bareng ngarud a tapnon makissayan bassit diay monopoly ni Bill Gates.

(These are just my thoughts. No offense to anybody).

[FlushedMX]

To put it bluntly, open source will eventually send Windows into oblivion. But not until Bill Gates has bought the entire US :lol:

[BB-M]

Flushed, wait till you see Microsoft's next OS - Longhorn!
Would believe? I'm still in Windows 98? :cry:

[FlushedMX]

So am I BBM. 98 nak pay lang!
But not for long, I hope :lol:

[trapper]

First of all let me say, it's good to be back. I have been too busy for these forums for a while.

Ok, now to put in my 2 cents....or maybe 5 cents.

Linux Distros and the GUI.
All linux distros use, or can use the same GUI. Most common are KDE, GNOME, ICE, Enlightenment. Each one of these is a desktop, for linux. Then can all be installed and you can swithch back an forth at any time.

So why is one distro better than another...well, it's the packaging that really sets distro's aprart...for those who do not know disro is distribution...Mandrake is on distro and Red Hat is another.
Ok Back to the difference. Mandrake and RedHat are almost Identical. They both are very windows like, with wizards to help set up applications and networking componants.

They both use the same RPM for Package Management. This makes These 2 versions of Linux very user friendy, because without it, you would have to know how to use gcc compilers, just to install a simle application like an intant messenger.

So yes RedHat and Mandrake have excellent GUI, it that is what you want. They also both have an enterprise 3 edition server. ( very awsome for Network Admins like myself )

For the record I use Mandrake on all our workstations, and RedHat Enterprise 3 Whitebox as our server.

Now lets talk security.

Some of you are very confused on this topic.

Linux is far more secure than Windows, and alway will be.

This is why.

Mircosoft has a team of fellas, working to find security holes in Windows, why Linux has tens of thousands of devellopers working to find security holes in Linux. For this reasy there are far more secuity holes found in linux. This also means that linux is fixed and patched more often that WIndows.

It takes a longer time for Microsofts team to find the wholes, because of lack of man power, but we know they exist.

Also get this. only 2% of the security holes in linux are exploitable remotely. This means that in order to exploit the holes found in linux, you have to be sitting at that particular computer using it's keyboard..
but...
With Windows 87% of the exploits are remote. This means I can exploit a windows user from the comfort of my own home, or better yet, create worm to do the work for me.

Viruses..not an issue with linux. Go to symantec and search there datablase of virues, and I'll bet you give up searching before you find a virus that infects linux.

Now all of this being said, no Operating System is completly safe out of the box.

If you want to be safe there is only one rule you have to follow, no matter what OS you use. "If a service is not absolutly needed, turn it off"

The only defense OS's has is that patches can be released quickly, while Microsoft took 200 days to fix ASN.1 (for which a similar problem was found and fixed very quickly in the BSDs and Linux last March).

How many large companies/organizations running Windows where hacked last year? The point is, most companies/organizations don't report IT security breaches, certainly not like GNU did. If you have a high-profile company, and someone with enough skill wants to, you WILL be hacked eventually, regardless of your choice of OS. Most blackhats don't have the skill level that the GNU attack took, and even that probably could have been prevented, but there is a tradeoff between high security and convenience, and a 0day exploit is hard to stop, unless you can stay awake 24/7 and process incoming ethernet frames in your head fast enough to determine their intent before forwarding them.

I personally would rather be attacked once a month and know of the attack instantly than be attacked once a year and not know.

An honest concern -- we were all pretty shaken up with the rash of security patches to Linux software a couple months back. Howver, the good majority of these were local exploits, e.g. preventing one user from taking over the entire system. Windows hardly has a concept of local security; almost all of the problems you hear about for Windows are remote exploits, the really dangerous ones.
Secondly, taking a look at the exploits for Linux, most are much more involved than Windows. Often a Windows system can be cracked with an easy ordering of instructions or a basic buffer overflow. On the other hand, Linux security holes often involve very carefully crafted buffer overflows that go through more than one round of manipulation and usage before the crack happens.
Thirdly, when Linux folks know of a Linux bug, everyone tends to hear about it immediately. Microsoft has been known to sit on issues for months (or years!).
There are exceptions to every rule, and generally security depends on the Admin -- but with Windows, there is a limit to how secure you can make your box.

That's enough for now.

[dynamiclinklibrary]

ahhh, nobody else could have said it better mr trapper :wink:

I'm not a big fan of Windows but then, because Linux is open source, this in itself is a bait for undisciplined programmers (or shall I say pranksters) to create viruses - is it not?

We probably don't hear much about Linux viruses because only a small portion of the global computer population uses it compared to Windows users. Perhaps it doesn't get reported?

Maybe not.

But the way I look at it, most - if not all, Linux users are those you might want to call "computer geeks or nerds", and with this premise, we don't hear much about viruses for Linux because most of the time, the user either knows how to fix it himself or safeguard his/her machine from virus attcks.

If only someone had made a Linux distro 5 years ago that would work right out of the box (like Windows), I bet you Bill may be begging in the streets of Redmond today :)

[MHTS]

No offense but this what I have to say from DLL's comments!

We may think that it is because it's an Open Source, it is more prone to viruses from hackers. It is mostly implied this way but in the real world, Open Sources are more secured because, it is not only a team or group of programmers checking into the code but almost all the GNU World. So when bug is encountered, it is most likely that a patch is created before undisciplined hackers ever get into. (Now, it is on the end-user to apply the patch).

Because it is an open source, the main intent of hackers is negated (i.e., to bring down the monopoly). Did you know that the main reasons why Windows are the target of hackers? It's Bill Gates! What about open source? Well, it's free, so there is no need to hack it because you will not prove anything. (I apologize if I am wrong).

Secondly, did you know that Microsoft Corp., uses Linux servers? Yes, indeed, this means that "programmers and ISS" know Linux from the day of its creation. Linux is working behind the scene. In fact, I bet our website here runs on a Linux backend! You think so gr8-one?

On the other hand, there is nothing special about Linux. It has its own GUI (Graphical User Interface) same as Windows, it access the internet using TCP/IP, it uses packages (RPM) just like Windows installer, it uses the mouse and the keyboard. In other words, nerds or geek are not the only users of Linux. It is the same as Windows. Did you also know that Bill Gates was/is a nerd? You think he use Linux?

Overall, the only reason why Linux is far secured than Windows is the way they created the operating system. It is not about the Open Source and the Closed Source.

Yes, I agree with DLL, if Linux was "BROUGHT" up 10 years ago, I'd say, it would have been mostly used by users. Now don't get confuse because most programmers use Unix like OS. Contrary, most PC gamers and game developers use Mac! Most end-users use Windows.

DLL made a good point, but I still say (as a System Analyst point of view), Windows is still the most vulnerable operating system out there. Now, I did not say Linux is the most secured. It is probably more secured than Windows! :)

Again, no offense to anyone. Just expressing my thoughts.

[gr8-one]

My Linux installation have been put off several times due to somewhat busy skeds.

Thanks for sharing your expertise to geek wannabe's like us :lol:

[FlushedMX]

There you go, gr8, that's the word - wannabes.
Uray siak ket wannabe ak met. Adda gayyem ko nga nangited kanyak iti php triad ket ininstall ko idiay pc'k ket mayat met kunam.

Naglaka nga iyinstall. Without a glitch, i was playing with it in ten minutes. Kumpleto. Adda iti php nan, apache server, mySQL. I-forego ko siguro diay balak ko nga manginstall tay Linux en.

[gr8-one]

padasem diay Apache2Triad kunak ngarud.
2x the features ngem 2x the size. I-send ko kenka nu kayat mo. :)

[FlushedMX]

Tay kunakon gr8-one, I don't want you to go through the hassles ngem nu ipapilit mo, pakuyugam ngarud ti size 8-1/2 nga Nike ahahahaha!!!

Ngem peks!

[saluyot]

linux rocks! nagaramatak idi iti slackware, idi kuan nagusarak ti redhat from version 5.3 sa didiay agingga iti 6.2 sa 7.2 sa 9.0 and then ita ket fedora core 2. mostly para iti servers lang ti usarko iti linux ta napaspaspas ken mas stable. ngem nagmayat met itan a a pang-desktop ti linux kunayon sa hehehehe ;-)

[gr8-one]

Mabalin kadi nga i-install ti Fedora, Mandrake ken Bayanihan Linux iti same machine? Padasek koma amin ket :)

[saluyot]

Mabalin kadi nga i-install ti Fedora, Mandrake ken Bayanihan Linux iti same machine? Padasek koma amin ket :)

multiple boot kadi? diak pay napadas. ngem it's possible. ngem no adu machine mo, saggaysaem nga instolan ti fedora, mandrake ken bayanihan.

[gr8-one]

wen multiple boot nu kuan.

[MHTS]

I have not tried it yet, but I suspect you will need to have at least two separate hard drives. The reason being is because, each distros of Linux uses different partitions. You will may end up partitioning your hard drives into different ones. You have to recall that you can only have four maximum primary partitions in one physical hard drives. Also, make sure if you install them all in one machine, your MBR should be set properly.

gr8-one, why don't you try Virtual Machine? What good thing with this virtual machine is that, if you have big memory, you can run more than one operating system simultaneously on one computer.

I have a 2 Gig memory computer and it is running XP. I installed, Virtual machine on it, and in it, I am also running 2000 Advanced Server, and Red Hat Linux, all at the same time. You can jump from one screen to another also.

If you're interested, drop me a note, and I'll help you set it up. How's that sound.

By the way, if ever you don't want the OS anymore, you can just easily delete it. Also, if it get's infected, no worries because it is virtual and it will not damage your computer.

[gr8-one]

Virtual machine needs that much memory?
Believe it or not, I still have 98SE on a P3 :cry:
It still gets the job done so I am not in a hurry of upgrading as of yet.

I tried installing a 2nd HD (for Linux OS) in my machine but I think I fried it :( I had Maxtor and I was trying to add a WDigital HD but the WD didn't work. Any reason for this?
Apay haan nga mabalin ti Maxtor/WD? Nu Maxtor diay HD mo masapul kadi met lang nga Maxtor ti i-install nu kua as a 2nd HD?

[MHTS]

Virtual machine needs that much memory?
Practically, it does not. The larger your memory, though, the better the performance. You can have 256, and allow only 128 or more for your virtual machine to work.
Not to hit you bulls eye, but win9x are not very secured nowadays. PIII, however is not bad at all. What is your processor's speed? I maybe able to help you set-up dual boot for 2K or XP on a separate HD or partition.

I tried installing a 2nd HD (for Linux OS) in my machine but I think I fried it :( I had Maxtor and I was trying to add a WDigital HD but the WD didn't work. Any reason for this?
Apay haan nga mabalin ti Maxtor/WD? Nu Maxtor diay HD mo masapul kadi met lang nga Maxtor ti i-install nu kua as a 2nd HD?
Never heard of incompatibility with HD. I know there are some but I don't think that is the reason why it didn't work. I have an older PC running Win98SE (yeah, I know, it's for my lab only and it is not utilize for production). It has a generic primary drive and I installed a secondary HD (Western). It worked. Tried this many times, never had any issues.

However, the issue could be your BIOS pc. What's the size of the new HD? How did you install it? Did you install using the secondary IDE or using the same IDE on the same data cable? When you installed it, did you use the diskette that came with it. Most likely, the error comes when you are using the diskette and you failed to do even one step. One good fix, though, is to install your new HD and boot your OS. All HD, nowadays, are sold as factory-partitioned, so it should register with a new dirve when you boot it up from the OS. You can then format it from there. Or use the DOS commands of the OS to go and partitioned to separate paritions for your Linux. If you don't like that, I have Partition Magic 8 (and no, it is not eval copy), I can give that to you to do the task.

After all the headaches, pop your Linux installation CD, and let it install on the new HD. If you want, you can also boot from the CD to point to the new HD to install the Linux.

Let me know Lakay, if it works, if not, I have WD and Maxtor utility disk that may help you do the taunting tasks.

[gr8-one]

Na-install kon diay Fedora'k.
Wen, talaga nga nag-conflict diay Maxtor ken WD HDD'k (Master/Slave), idi pinagbalin ko nga Secondary Master ni WestDig ket mayat metten.

Problema:
- Haan na nga ma-detect diay monitor ko (unsupported) isu nga madi ti color displayk
- Diak metten ma-access diay [D] WD Drive from Windows en. Idi diak pay na-install diay Fedora, ma-access ko. Talaga kadi nga kasdiay?

[MHTS]

Ininstall mo kadi diay Fedora inta drive D. No isu, saan mo talaga nga ma-access ta sabali ti partition ti Linux (saan nga FAT32, NTFS) no Windows ti OS.

Mabalin mo sa met nga baliwan ta display na, baka kasapulan laeng ti supported nga AGP.

[gr8-one]

Ahuh! That explains it.
MHTS, yo da man!!! Thanks.

Anusak latta diay displaykon.
Anya kadi ti kayat mo nga sawen diay AGP? Diay display card ko kadi MHTS? Haanak pay ready nga mangsukat diay display card ko.

Pagsursuruak lang pay lang daytoy tapno mai-familiarize ko ti Linux :)
I don't mind re-installing it later :lol:

That being said, I might be needing your expert advice regarding configurations :)

[MHTS]

Wen lakay, AGP (Accelerated Graphics Port) isu diay video card mo. Siguro saan nga compatible kadayta Linux install mo. Ngem ti ammok uray daan ket supported ti Linux (well for Mandrake and Red Hat, I know) ngem diak la ammo ta Fedora. Padasem to man nga baliwan ta display from the display settings. Wenno padasen nga baliwan ta display driver from the display settings.

Anytime lakay, if you need an extra help, let me know! :)

[gr8-one]

All-In-Wonder ATI diay AGP'k isu diak pay kayat nga sukatan :)

Thanks lakay!

[MHTS]

ATI should be supported by Linux install. Ngem siguro nga talaga nga saan nga compatible. Ala ket an-anusam lattan a!

[saluyot]

napadasanyo kadin ti naginstol iti fedora core 3 nga nvidia ti video cardyo?

adda bassit incompatibility ti fc3 iti nvidia cards a dadduma.

'tay ininstolko nga fc3 nga nvidia geforce 3 a 64mb, bigla nga agblackout ti monitorna (iti man xwindows wenno uray terminal screen).

adda pamay-an wenno solution ditoy (http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=40622) no napadasyon daytoy nga fc3 nvidia bug. so far diak pay pinadpadas nga in-fix. dinisableko pay lang diay nvidia card drivers/modules ken xwindows (gnome) ti fc3k.

[dynamiclinklibrary]

Thanks for the info :wink:

[JOSHRAVEN]

Try UBUNTU, I think this is the most user friendly linux. I not this expert in linux but I have tried linux from 7.3 to 9, to fedora core, but I stay with UBUNTU.

[MHTS]

Try UBUNTU, I think this is the most user friendly linux. I not this expert in linux but I have tried linux from 7.3 to 9, to fedora core, but I stay with UBUNTU.

You're right Josh, Ubuntu appears to be one of the best user friendly Linux distro. The new release of Mandrake, now Mandriva, appears to be good too. I am still with Fedora Core 4. The latest Red Hat though is very robust...

[fishfillet]

Sobrang tagal ko na wala dito.... just imagine the last time I was here I was not even using Linux?! But now, here I am using Linux exclusively on my PC.

BTW, I am using Ubuntu Dapper. No problems with ATI and NVIDIA video card so far, not even on sound card.

[MHTS]

Hey Fish! How's it going? Glad you could stopped by here. Thanks for dropping by.

I am also going to be playing Ubuntu this weekend. My buddy here at work use that for his daily job as oppose to our own Linux version. He likes it alot, so I will also play with it...

[fishfillet]

Its been quite sometime!

Go and and play with Ubuntu and you'll get to love it too. :)

Ubuntu-ph is at www.ubuntu-ph.org

[trapper]

The most userfriendly Distro I have worked with Mandriva Linux.
The latest disto 2007, has a wicked 3D desktop, support many different Video Cards, and Wizards to walk you through all setups.
Default web brower installed is FireFox.

My choice for anyone considering moving from Windows to Linux
Super Easy to learn, and full of eye candy.


Trapper

[MHTS]

Sweet, thanks for the info Trapper!

[DjMichaelJay]

pasaan dak mamet? uray ubunto lang!... main intriga ak kadaytoy "LINUX"...

[daguerrson]

pasaan dak mamet? uray ubunto lang!... main intriga ak kadaytoy "LINUX"...

Uray siak mammet dah. Ad-adda pay nga intriguing ta pasig met nga taw-tawa (windows) ti readily available dita Best Buy ken Circuit City. Adda ngata kadi met Linux da? Ta padasek mammet koma. :mrgreen:

[MHTS]

Linux (Ubuntu, Fedora Core, etc) are all FREE apo Daguerr. Just download it off the Internet, install it, and you have a new operating system up and running.

Careful though, this is an OS, and it will overwrite your existing OS if you are not sure how to install it.

I recommend trying their Live CD or flash boot OS. Ubuntu, for example offers a light version where you can put it in your flash drive and boot from there. http://www.ubuntu.com/

[daguerrson]

Linux (Ubuntu, Fedora Core, etc) are all FREE apo Daguerr. Just download it off the Internet, install it, and you have a new operating system up and running.

Careful though, this is an OS, and it will overwrite your existing OS if you are not sure how to install it.

I recommend trying their Live CD or flash boot OS. Ubuntu, for example offers a light version where you can put it in your flash drive and boot from there. http://www.ubuntu.com/


Hmmm, does that mean Windows and Linux can co-exist in a computer, apo admin?

[MHTS]

That means that they CANNOT co-exist in a single computer (OS level).

However, that doesn't mean they cannot be loaded both in one computer. If you have Windows running already. Use some partition tool such as partition magic to create another logical drive (such as drive D).

Load Linux on it and make it DUAL boot with Windows. What happen then (like this laptop) is you will have an option to either boot on Linux or Windows.

You can have both, but they cannot co-exist, meaning. One is running on top of the other. They must exist in their own world...

For live CD and flash - they would work as if they are running on their own drive. Windows will be out of the picture completely in this case...

[daguerrson]

That means that they CANNOT co-exist in a single computer (OS level).

However, that doesn't mean they cannot be loaded both in one computer. If you have Windows running already. Use some partition tool such as partition magic to create another logical drive (such as drive D).

Load Linux on it and make it DUAL boot with Windows. What happen then (like this laptop) is you will have an option to either boot on Linux or Windows.

You can have both, but they cannot co-exist, meaning. One is running on top of the other. They must exist in their own world...

For live CD and flash - they would work as if they are running on their own drive. Windows will be out of the picture completely in this case...

Gotcha! Now I will try to load it on my removable flash drive. How much space does Ubunto necessitate, probably, apo admin?

I will be needing a high speed internet connection to facilitate to download.

Load of thanks apo.

[daguerrson]

Diak maka-download ta nabuntog toy dial-up. 'Su nga nag-orderak ti ubuntu online ket bareng no sumangpeten iti mabiit. Can't wait....

[DjMichaelJay]

just got the linux with my other computer... its nice and easy to use...try this one too tito daguerr..

problem:

my PRO-TOOLS, or any of my recording softwares/programs doesn't work on LINUX.. wonder why??? is there any other way around it?

[MHTS]

Hey DJMJ. Your programs/software are probably Windows applications. Unfortunately, there are many applications that were only built for Windows or Mac or for Linux.

Programs are very platform dependent. The workaround is to look for similar programs that does what you have on your Windows apps. You'll be surprise on how many you can find. Better yet, they are free...

[DjMichaelJay]

Hey DJMJ. Your programs/software are probably Windows applications. Unfortunately, there are many applications that were only built for Windows or Mac or for Linux.

Programs are very platform dependent. The workaround is to look for similar programs that does what you have on your Windows apps. You'll be surprise on how many you can find. Better yet, they are free...


thanks bro...just as i thought ...
can you ym me any sites that i can download those FREEwares.. thanks...

[daguerrson]

just got the linux with my other computer... its nice and easy to use...try this one too tito daguerr..

problem:

my PRO-TOOLS, or any of my recording softwares/programs doesn't work on LINUX.. wonder why??? is there any other way around it?

Yeah, am gonna try it Alan, I certainly will.