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CLONED
07-14-2004, 09:38 AM
How many lives does it take to give a certain country its freedom? A hundred? a thousand? or perhaps a million?

Had we worked for our freedom without the help of another country (US), I believe we would have been a better nation than we know it.
Had we worked for our independence by ourselves (alone) as opposed to the US giving it to us one day like July 4th, our nation would be far greater than today.

We would be a better race if we fought for our independence alone.
Freedom is something you have to work hard for, not something that someone gives to you.

Let the Iraqis free themselves!

BB-M
07-14-2004, 06:20 PM
Gotta earn it and work hard for it or else you loose it easily. I think that's what you're trying to say.

And who are we liberating Iraq from?
Saddam Hussein? Or somebody just want a piece of their oil reserve? Just asking...

Anakin Skywalker
07-14-2004, 11:12 PM
During the time of the Taliban, Bush and his advisers felt that, that regime is becoming a threat to the US and its interests (World Trade Center Bombing).

Then we heard about Rumsfeld?s theory of pre-emption ? pre-emptive strike.

So Bush sent his army to Afghanistan and voila, Omar got the boot ? but Bin Laden is still on the loose.

Bush then felt that Iraq, under the leadership of a certain Saddam Hussein, is also fast becoming a major US threat. Once again, he sent his chariots but only this time, the price is a lot costlier.

What if every president of a nation thinks like Bush et al? I don?t even want to think about it.

North Korea, they say is building (or had built) nuclear weapons. Perhaps it feels that it is being threatened by the rich nations of the west. So what if Kim Jong Il launches his nuclear warheads? Obviously, it?s the end of the world as we know it.

But that?s his freedom, in much the same way as Bush has freedom invading another country that he feels is a threat to his nation.

Freedom has many faces, and each one costs a lot.

juVans
07-15-2004, 01:42 AM
How many lives does it take to give a certain country its freedom? A hundred? a thousand? or perhaps a million?


I can't provide you the exact number but my hunch is at least thousands.


Had we worked for our freedom without the help of another country (US), I believe we would have been a better nation than we know it.


Lapu-lapu killed Magellan


Had we worked for our independence by ourselves (alone) as opposed to the US giving it to us one day like July 4th, our nation would be far greater than today.


Dr. Jose Rizal used his writing prowess to freed the Philippines from slavery and dominance of Spaniards.


We would be a better race if we fought for our independence alone.
Freedom is something you have to work hard for, not something that someone gives to you.

If the Americans did not interfere during the WWII, maybe we could fought for it and win the invasion against the Japanese regime.

Let the Iraqis free themselves!

WTF!

FlushedMX
07-15-2004, 02:37 AM
But if the US didn't interfere, could we have won?
Lapu-Lapu killed Magellan so, maybe.

Let the Iraqis free themselves - I think GMA is with you, she started pulling out our troops :)

Onimusha
07-15-2004, 09:10 AM
Di met ti Israel ket adda ti nuclear weapons na, apay ngarud nga di na rauten kasla ti Iraq?

Anakin Skywalker
07-15-2004, 10:52 PM
Biased siguro....
Ngem awan maramidan ta, that's his freedom. Freedom to choose who, and who not, to invade. :)

juVans
07-16-2004, 03:50 AM
But if the US didn't interfere, could we have won?


Actually, the US was already here in our own soil when the Japanese bombed our country. We also had our own armies with the help of Gen. McArthur; however, he floundered to provide the needed training, but was also thwarted by a corrupt Filipino administration and limited support from the United States.

Because of that, the kamikaze drive of the Japanese easily broke our defensive wall. As the Japanese muscled their way in, Gen. McArthur silently retreated to Corrigedor and Bataan and eventually went to Australia. His abandonment of his troops, army nurses, American civilians and Filipino citizens made him incompetent general. Fighting without a leader caused defeat to us. The invasion of the Japanese was successful.

It was also evident that during the course of the war some Filipinos shifted
to the Japanese side. They were then known to be "makapili," a Japanese spy who are wearing "bayong" to hid their face. These traitors served to identify suspected local guerillas and anti-japanese movement. Many were arrested, tortured and vanished.

Going back to your question....we could have won IF....

WE WERE UNITED

WE HADE SUFFICIENT TECHNOLOGY

WE WERE PATRIOTIC

WE BELIEVED IN WINNING




Lapu-Lapu killed Magellan so, maybe.


It was the Kusinero killed Lapu-lapu. :lol: :lol: :lol:

BB-M
07-21-2004, 06:51 PM
Lest we forget, the freedom we all enjoy today has been paid for by the deaths of our brothers/sisters many years back.
In Angelo's case though, the price of freedom has some varieties. You take your pick.