Where do the real Ilocanos come from?

[Alistair]

Okay, here's a question for you FBIs:

I know there's Ilocos Norte, Sur, La Union which I have learned comprise the Ilocos Region, but where do the real, true-blue, FBI Ilocanos come from? Ilocos Norte I suppose?

[CLONED]

What do you mean? All the provinces you mentioned are Ilocano-speaking provinces. Ilocos Region also includes Abra and Pangasinan. :)

[TCardona]

They come from Ilocos Norte, Ilocos Sur, La Union, Pangasinan, Abra. :)

[Anakin Skywalker]

The real Ilocano comes from the heart.

The real Ilocano is a hardworking man, thrifty but not tightwad. The real Ilocano is a survivor.

It doesn't matter if you are Ilocos Nortean, Surrian, LaUnionan(?) or Abranian. Not being able to speak Ilocano does not necessarily mean you're not real or genuine Ilocano.

[Windoc]

We come from the north. We come from Ilocos Norte! :)

And then some moved out. Some went to the south, some to the east and west. :) :) :)

Along with Ilocos Sur, no other place can claim a "truer", deeper, kind of Ilocano culture.

Anyone who disagrees, see [Unknown] :) :) :)

[Unknown], flash said he's moving to Laoag in Ocober. :) Agawid ka kano ta intayo pumukan ti baka nga urbon. hehehe

[BB-M]

From what I understand, the Ilocos region (or is it just Ilocos Norte & Sur?) use to be one province, but due to population growth in the region, the spaniards had to divide it for more efficient governance. That is why we have now La Union, Abra and Pangasinan. Someone correct me if I am wrong, please. I'm not a history buff, okay?

Now, history further tells us that the term Ilocos came from the word "Ylocos", which means "from the river" (or close to the river or something).

Eventually, the people in "Ylocos" came to be known as ilocanos.

I guess regardless of where you, or your ancestors came from, be it Ilocos Norte or Ilocos Sur, La Union or Abra - you are a real and genuine Ilocano. :lol: :lol:

Any rebuttal is welcome! :lol:

[BenLopez]

Will the real Ilocanos please stand out? :)

Seriously, the real Ilocanos come from Ilocos Norte. :) :) :)

[Alistair]

So where is "more Ilocano?"

Ilocos Norte or Ilocos Sur?

[Roldan]

It depends on your criteria. Basically, the two Ilocoses are the "twin hearts of Ilocandia".

[Unai]

That means the "real Ilocanos" come from the heart (twin hearts) nga agpayso :)

[Unai]

How do you measure your being an Ilocano anyway?

[mrnoel]

Ilocanos are great! Saan ka mapunta dito sa Pilipinas may ilocanos yata.. galing sila sa bacarra! :lol:

[Ayyong]

Wenno Laoag kunam pay a, mrnoel! Wenno Batac. Naggapu da idiay Ilocos Norte.

[InabrawSaluyot]

Is this true...

Ilocos Norte was considered as God-forsaken land because of many faultlines and rocky soil forcing many Ilokanos to migrate to other lands?

[FlushedMX]

I beg to disagree that Ilocos Norte is a God-forsaken land. Just because beneath it are faultlines does not make IN a forsaken land.
:) :)
The state of California lies beneath faultlines but look, its one of the most progressive state in the US.

Ilocos Norte is a land of beauty, of rolling hills and terrains, white sand beaches and yes, great leaders.

Ilocanos by nature are adventurous. We are survivors.
:) :)

[InabrawSaluyot]

Then why not focus on commercial and industral aspects instead of agricultural? I know that agriculure there is not very much flourished. Tourism, Commerce, Technology and Industries can compensate that shortcoming.

[FlushedMX]

All indications point us to that direction :)

[FlushedMX]

Its just a matter of time.
Sooner or later... :) :)

[CLONED]

Truthfully, I hate to see Pagudpud become like a Boracay, but it seems like this quaint little town can't escape the rage of development.

I've not seen Boracay myself but it has become a haven of criminals & thieves as well as prostitution.

Spare Pagudpud, please.

[Kelsey]

Development comes with a high price.
Vice, pollution, prostitution etc...
They all go together.

[InabrawSaluyot]

Truthfully, I hate to see Pagudpud become like a Boracay, but it seems like this quaint little town can't escape the rage of development.

I've not seen Boracay myself but it has become a haven of criminals & thieves as well as prostitution.

Spare Pagudpud, please.

Actually, kilala na dito sa Maynila ang Pagudpud, wherever they say beaches, sasabihin nila "Ilocos", but they actually mean Pagudpud. Pero isa lang ang problema sa Pagudpud ha. Naknakan ng mahal ng accomodation.

[FlushedMX]

Inabraw, nakapunta ka na pala don ano?
Last time na nakapunta ako doon ay mga 7 years ago - and to think that I am from Ilocos Norte :)

Pero hindi kami nag-overnight, swimming lang at konting kainan. Dun sa may malapit sa may Guesthouse ruins. Kami kami lang at ala pang cottages noon. Kasi pag duon ka sa may mga cottages masyadong (sa may Villa del Mar) crowded. Maganda lang "mag-sightseeing".

[InabrawSaluyot]

Hindi pa, actually, Flushed, hinihintay ko lang dumating yung mga kamag-anak namin from Folrida. Gusto nila pumunta ng Baguio, e. Pag nagpunta sila dun, eeskapo patungong Laoag then Pagudpud. Siguro by December or May... Sana...

I've been longing to see Ilocos Norte.

Pagudpud website: www.pagudpud.net

[mrnoel]

im fom bacarra but honestly, never been sa pagudpud beaches... yung ginawa kong travel guide, ang mahal talaga ng accomodation (yung iba lang ah. :D )... parang 5 star hotel na ang ang mga hotels doon.. meron din mura yata..

business is business... di na lang ako mag-stay ng ovenight doon... punta na lang ako sa fort ilocandia..... mas susi pa ang hotel nila. naks! mayat nga pag honeymoonan! :wink:

[InabrawSaluyot]

I read in the travel guides na mahal nga mga accomodations sa Pagudpud. Check the site for Tierra Rika. Meron pang iba like Arinaya, Villa Del Mar, Saud Beach Resort, Panzian, etc. But fortunately, they are offerring considerable discount during off-season. Possible kaya ang 50% discount? Sana.

[Anakin Skywalker]

It's the publicity that's driving the costs of accommodations up in Pagudpud.

Add to that the publicity being generated by a Sigeon-Reyna film whith shooting locations in Pagudpud.

[FlushedMX]

Wen ta idiaY gayam ti pag-shoot-shootingan ni Armida iti "Aawitan Kita".

Ken talaga nga maysa pay nga simmikatan ta Pagudpud ket gapu iti dayta nga Armida.

[Misty_Eyes]

Is it true?
Naun-uneg ti ilokano ti taga Ilocos Norte ngem dagiti taga sabsabali nga probinsiya?

[BB-M]

Agpada nga nauneg iti Ilokano tayo ngem adda sumag-mamano nga words nga pagdiperensiya-an iti kaipapanan na.

[Windoc]

Kasla koma dagitoy nga words:
I.Norte-------------I.Sur

Kimmot--------------- Ubet

Ligay ----------------- Pilid

Adda am-ammok nga taga I.Sur dina ammo didiay "sulong" ket "danog" iti kayat na nga sawen.

[AoteaRoa]

Ammo yo kadi nga ti "ungot" ket sabali pay nga termino iti pinggan?

[Mercy]

Ken diay "tuleng" ti kayat na nga sawen kadakuada ket "sulpeng" wenno sul-ot.

Ti ammok nga tuleng ket daytay nagaraw iti ima na - daytay man sagiden na amin (kasla koma dayta alikamen iti balay).

[TCardona]

Ilocano nga agpayso nga kunam ngem adda latta pagdu-dumaan da.

[juzzmeehh]

Ammo yo kadi nga ti "ungot" ket sabali pay nga termino iti pinggan?
My lola always used the word "ungot" instead of "pinggan" :lol:

[TCardona]

Diday "obet" kanya tayo ket sabali a? :lol: :roll:

[FlushedMX]

Haan da pay nga ammo no anya iti "pattuki"
Sabali iti termino da siguro isu nga haan da nga maawatan.

[Alistair]

:lol: :lol: :lol:
HI!!! :?: :?: :!:

[InabrawSaluyot]

Is it true...real Ilokano's fave word is "Ngarud"?

[BenLopez]

Bahala ka "ngarud" Inabraw! :mrgreen: :mrgreen: :lol:

[InabrawSaluyot]

Ben...I don't get it, really. Lolz! :P

[BB-M]

Is it true...real Ilokano's fave word is "Ngarud"?
I don't know about that.
My favorite word was (used to be) "lakay" or sometimes, "kalay".

[BenLopez]

Ben...I don't get it, really. Lolz! :P
Inabraw, hindi Ilokano ang may paborito sa word na "ngarud" kundi
Igorot.

Examples of an Igorot saying the word "ngarud":
- Bahala kan a ngarud!
- Sigi ma ngarud!
- Ay apo daytoy nga tao nga! Sikan a ngarud!
- etcetera etcetera

In fact they use this word so much that sometimes they pronounced it:
"NGAR'D" - Note the silent "u", as in:

= agsina tan ngar'd!

[Anakin Skywalker]

Agsinatan ngar'd!!!!
Ben, agsardeng kan ngar'd!!!! :lol:

[Anakin Skywalker]

Inabrwa, we use ngarud when the situation calls for it and incidentally, in most cases ngarud is needed to complete a sentence or expression.

But it does not necessarilly mean its the Ilocano's favorite word.

[BB-M]

Inabrwa kunkunam met ken Inabrawen, Anakin?

Kasta gayam ti panagsao ti Igorot?
"Slang" a ngar'd? :lol: :lol: :lol: :mrgreen:

[Greggy]

Ben, apay ngar'd nga ammom nga kastoy ti sao dagiti kakabsat nga Igotrot?

[Alfe]

real ilocanos are from Ilocos norte...thats why we are GI's....hehehe

[Alistair]

Well of course! :lol: :lol:

[InabrawSaluyot]

Agree! :lol:

[FlushedMX]

Ben, apay ngar'd nga ammom nga kastoy ti sao dagiti kakabsat nga Igotrot?
Greggy, let me answer this for you - and I know Ben doesn't mind.

Agbasbasa (wenno agtab-trabaho) ni Ben idiay Baguio isu siguro nga ammo na.

[Onimusha]

real ilocanos are from Ilocos norte...thats why we are GI's....hehehe
I second the motion... hehehe

[AoteaRoa]

What do you mean? All the provinces you mentioned are Ilocano-speaking provinces. Ilocos Region also includes Abra and Pangasinan. :)

Abra?
Not anymore, Cloned.
Abra is now a part of the Cordillera Administrative Region..

[TCardona]

Ita lang nga naammuak nga haanen nga parte ti Ilocos Region dayta Abra.

Sabagay, ad-adun sa met ngamin ti kakabsat nga Itneg nga agnaed idiayen ngem Ilokano. Dapat lang ngarud nga mairaman iti CAR.

[Alistair]

Is it true it's snowy in Baguio?

[InabrawSaluyot]

No. But at the hinterlands of the Cordillera it is said that ice formed in the leaves of trees in early mornings.

[gr8-one]

I remember when I was studying in Baguio it rained with ice crystals one morning.
Some car windshields parked outside cracked as a result. Snow? I don't know but it sure is foggy especially during this time of year?
Hey, did you know that Adams in Ilocos Norte is sometimes compared to Baguio?

[BB-M]

Ice crystals?
Kasano dayta?

[BIG]

Ice crystals => kasla la tay ice nga aramid ti ref. Isuna lang ta alisto nga mabuong wenno alisto nga marunot.
Kasla bato nu agtinnag.
Saan nga mainom, nabangsit, kasla pitak.
Diak ammo nu kasano nga nabuo tay ice crystals, basta napasamak met isabela idi.
Bacarra kuma met, mabalin met ti ice crystals?

[dynamiclinklibrary]

I remember when I was studying in Baguio it rained with ice crystals one morning.
Some car windshields parked outside cracked as a result. Snow? I don't know but it sure is foggy especially during this time of year?
Hey, did you know that Adams in Ilocos Norte is sometimes compared to Baguio?
Never been to Adams, in fact ditoy pay lang INOL ti nakangegak adda ili ti probinsiya tayo nga Adams.
Nagbasaam diay Baguio gr8-one? You don't have to answer it.
Apay dimo kayat idiay MMSU wenno NU? Nagloko kan?

[FlushedMX]

Wait, wait wait dll.
Yanna dayta probinsiya nga Adams nga ibagbagam aya? Sorry, maybe I'm just reading your post wrong :lol: :lol: :lol:

[InabrawSaluyot]

I remember when I was studying in Baguio it rained with ice crystals one morning.
Some car windshields parked outside cracked as a result. Snow? I don't know but it sure is foggy especially during this time of year?
Hey, did you know that Adams in Ilocos Norte is sometimes compared to Baguio?

I think that's a common occurence in Mt. Pulag and its slopes. :)

[JOSHRAVEN]

Adams ket maysa nga ili ti Ilocos Norte, nakapannak metten idiay and the place is great, just like Baguio. The problem is transfortation, during rainy days you need to ride on a motorcycle to be there. I remember there are hanging bridges along the way.

Ti kunkunayo nga ice nga tudo nu dadduma adda ti Manila ngem apagbiit, kasla kadakkel ti buket to utong. kunada man nga maypalpalais nga aggapu ti amianan nga ulep. Wenno iduron ti napigsa nga angin nga aggapu ti amianan tayo, Taiwan wenno China, Russia? Siguro?

Ngem adda kano parte ti Taiwan, iti abagatan nga bantay na, dagiti natives da idiay, ti kano pagsasao day Ilocano ken ti sao dagiti taga Batanes, Ibatan.

[sadiri]

Hanging bridge nga kasla maipalais kunam, nakaam-amak ta kasla mapugsat diay bridge ngem dagitay taga idiay ken Pagudpud ket agmotorsiklo da pay.
Awan unayen dagitay "kakadua" nga kunada anya?

[Alistair]

I guess Ilocos Sur is "more ilocano" because it used to be the capital of the ilocos during the Spanish occupation :lol:
'Thought I read that somewhere :)

[TCardona]

I disagree :)

[leny]

i disagree too :wink:

subukan nyo kayang tumingin sa kabilang side ng mapa nyo :)
let say 'ISABELA' theres a lot of ilocano's on that province :o
i'm a pure ilocana and isabela is my home town, even i'm here in canada...i'm still ilocana at heart :lol:

so what can you say about that :roll:

peaceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :)

[leny]

i disagree too :wink:

subukan nyo kayang tumingin sa kabilang side ng mapa nyo :)
let say 'ISABELA' theres a lot of ilocano's on that province :o
i'm a pure ilocana and isabela is my home town, even i'm here in canada...i'm still ilocana at heart :lol:

so what can you say about that :roll:

peaceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :)

[BeefPapaitan]

i disagree too :wink:

subukan nyo kayang tumingin sa kabilang side ng mapa nyo :)
let say 'ISABELA' theres a lot of ilocano's on that province :o
i'm a pure ilocana and isabela is my home town, even i'm here in canada...i'm still ilocana at heart :lol:

so what can you say about that :roll:

peaceeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee :)

Hey, counterpart pala kita. But In my case, am NOT an Ilokano even a bit, but I can say that I'm Ilokano at Heart. :0 I'm here in Manila. ;)

[BIG]

a lot of bacarre?os migrated to isabela in ~mid of 1900.

[gr8-one]

Adda pay maysa nga bario iti maysa nga ili nga ti nagan na ket Bacarre?a gapu ta amin nga agnaed idiay ket naggapu da iti bacarra :)

[leny]

hi gr8-one :)

nasa isabela po yang cinasabi mong Bacarena (baryo lng dayta)

[AoteaRoa]

Masda-awak lang ta Ilocano tayo amin ngem adu dagiti ditayo maawatan nga sao ti sabali nga ilocano met lang.

[Myrna]

I guess if you were born in Ilocos region and you speak the dialect..then u r I locano

[kryzza]

sometimes ti ilocano tayo nga ilocos ket nauneg, dida maawatan kabsat..........

[FlushedMX]

Example man agie.....